Before that I was an Admin at the Tomica Fan Club forum up until it went offline.
I was wondering if you could help me with some information?
I've been organizing the Tomica Database over at the Diecast Garage, and am stumped with Power Tomica and B/O & Motor Tomica. I can't seem to find any information online other than what you have here at the Tomica Wiki (even having a hard time finding info on any Japanese Tomica sites). Could you share with me any sources of information (links) regarding the list of models in these categories?
I can read Japanese, yes. I've found a lot of Tomica sites, but many are limited to just minicars without a lot of the odder stuff, and older things, or they don't have much helpful information. Which is understandable, because it seems like the only sources for a lot of sets are ancient catalogues, when the internet didn't even exist.
Yes, Tomica 1970 is one of my old go-to websites. I don't make as much use as I should from many of the Japanese sites due to the language barrier. My favorite has always been Hello to Tomica, although it has been undergoing a major overhaul the past few years. https://hellototomica.com/?lang=en
If you have time and feel like it, I hope you'll join us over at the Diecast Garage. We always appreciate a new face and any contributions that you could share with us.
Yep, that site is a useful one too, although it annoys me because they don't have release dates for most things. That is what trips me up more than anything making these pages. Either I can only find an approximate, or three sites list three different dates, or nothing.
I was just browsing your forum, and it looks very interesting. I'll have to keep an eye on it. I still have a million things I need to add to this wiki (not to mention a lot of cleaning and reformatting I want to do, but that's not a priority for now), so maybe I can find some useful resources that way.
Thanks. There’s limits to the wiki format, and like I said, the formatting could be better. When I found this wiki, it was pretty barebones except for a few stub articles pertaining to the Tomica Hero Toku series, plus I wasn’t really aware of how extensive the Tomica line was, so I’ve been making things up as I go along concerning the format with the templates given, and jumping all over the place with no sense of sequence. So it’s a work in progress, but I’m impressed with how far it’s come.
So that explains the Hero Toku stuff.... I don't know what it looked like before, but it's looking good now.
That also explains the screen background.... do you plan on replacing the background graphics to something more Tomica related eventually? Are you working on the wiki all by yourself?
If I can ever be of service, please feel free to ask or get in touch with me. I don't know everything about Tomica, but I know know something, and I enjoy digging for answers... I've been collecting for about 20 years now.
Hope you don't mind me asking, but I assume you're female (going by your name)... so I'm curious as to how or why you became interested in Tomica? Don't run into too many girls/ladies that are into Tomica. Don't have to answer if you don't want. I'm just nosey.
Yeah, the Toku series were from 2008 and 2009, actually. But I only got around to watching them both this month, largely just for fixing their admittedly very lacking pages. (A side note: I've found two other English-language wikis specifically devoted to Tomica Hero. Neither of which are particularly complete, and one has some blatantly wrong information to the point that it reads like someone's fanfic.)
The current background is for Earth Granner, a new Tomica anime which is starting this April. I have no say in the backgrounds and the overall layout, and can't even edit the front page, because I'm not an admin. I guess the fact that the wiki is not very active is the reason there is only one user with aministrative power, which is the wiki's creator.
Thanks. Good to know, because I'm much newer to it. Don't have a big collection currently, but I'd love to expand it in the future.
I found Tomica because of Drive Head (the 2017 anime), to be honest. I've been a big fan of mecha genre for years. I got really invested in one particular character, and before long I fell into a rabbit hole after looking more into the brand. I had known of Tomica's existance beforehand, but I never really saw the toys, being in the US. (I wasn't even born when we had Pocket Cars, and I guess I just never noticed Hyper City). I can't say I've ever been much of a car collector, but I got really interested in the variety Tomica has. I like how they aim for realism and detail, plus they have some really fun stuff like a giant plesiosaurus carrier (I'd love to get myself that one, but it's too expensive the last I looked.) Plus, I love bright colors and cool-looking cars. I get tired looking at 500 white Nissans when I edit this, but give me a lime green lamborghini any day and that makes up for it.
Yes, there were two tokusatsu series between 2008 and 2010, which had a spiritual predecessor known as Madan Senki Ryukendo. Over the last years this wiki focused on the Drive Head series and now it will focus on Earth Granner, which is why I picked a background from it. Most likely the activity will increase, when Earth Granner starts in Japan. Of course not as much as if Tomica would hit American television, but still enough to hold votes about changes to this wiki including admin elections. Anyway, welcome to Tomica Wiki, Toyotageek.
I don't really expect Earth Granner to bring a lot of activity to this wiki. There was nothing about Drive Head except for a tiny stub article until I added it, and I personally wrote up every episode summary and character bio. If I hadn't, I doubt anyone would have. Drive Head is a kids show, and those are typically snubbed by western anime fans unless they're Pokemon/Yu-Gi-Oh, because a lot of people grew up watching those. (There are some other exceptions like Beyblade and Bakugan, but even then, no one's subbing the new Bakugan series as far as I know.) But even for people who are into Tomica (the toy cars), I could see watching a disaster-of-the-week kids show that doesn't have much plot until the last few episodes being a chore. Personally, I love it for the great characters (especially Karigari, Sasagawa, Munakata and Kurumada), but I'm in the minority.
Even Shinkalion, which is more popular in the west than Drive Head because of crossovers with popular characters and a big-name seiyuu cast, plus it had fansubs from day one, doesn't have many active users on its wiki at all. Earth Granner will likely follow the same pattern, unless it's licensed in the west which is extremely unlikely.
Unless something airs in the western world and/or has multiple seasons a wiki is unlikely to grow. Duel Masters has many seasons, but most of them didn't air in the west, making the English-speaking fandom rather small. Battle Spirits also only aired in Japan despite having many seasons and thus there is not a large fandom. PriChan Wiki also isn't that active because it just airs in Japan. And Kamiwaza Wanda is even more obscure to the west than Tomica and Shinkalion and lacks further seasons or even a movie. I would say if an anime just airs in Japan, mostly hardcore fans watch and talk about it, but not as many people who would get invested if the series airs in the west. Beyblade and Bakugan are currently both airing in the States. Zoids might follow soon, which could lead to a resurgence of activity in the Zoids fandom. As well Digimon could become hot again if the reboot of Digimon Adventure also hits the west. Furthermore there are still many fans into Cardfight!! Vanguard while Inazuma Eleven has ended it's run in the States and in Japan and Yokai Watch still airing in Japan, but having been cancelled in the United States. All series have experienced some exposure to the western world leading to varying degrees of activity in the respective communities.
Even for kids shows which have developed small western fandoms like Inazuma Eleven and Yokai Watch, it’s still the norm for the average anime fan to snub them on the grounds of being “kids shows.” Pretty much any show that comes out and looks remotely “kiddy”, someone will be ranting about how it’s another terrible Pokémon clone without even watching one episode, even if it’s nothing like Pokémon.
And for every kids show that gets a western TV deal, twice as many don’t. Shows like Majin Bone and Dragon Collection, which streamed legally, no one ever really talked about them. And then you have shows like Gyrozetter which was an absolute masterpiece, most western fans who have given it a shot have great things to say about it, but the wiki for that never got off the ground at all last I looked. Some shows, like Pikaia, which is also a grade-A masterpiece, don’t even have a wiki. (I’ve tossed around making one, but I don’t have the time when I pour my free time into this wiki. I also have a job but with weird hours that work in my favor. And I’m looking for a better one, so I might not have time for this one in the future. So even if people are watching the show and they love it still doesn’t guarantee that there will be people willing to spend time writing articles about it.)
Anyway, this has gotten way off topic, but my point was that I can’t conceivably see this wiki blowing up once Earth Granner starts. Probably, it will get a slow-moving 4chan thread and that’s it. Especially if no one even fansubs it. I didn’t even make the Drive Head articles until after the TV series finished airing.
I also don't believe that this wiki becomes very active when Earth Granner airs in Japan. There only can be slightly more activity than before, because of the fact that every week a new episode of Tomica will air in Japan. Zoids Wiki's activity also hasn't exploded just because Zoids Wild Zero airs in Japan. Most activity is constituted by the fandom in the west. And Beyblade and Bakugan are currently the two only anime out of six boys action ones in which Takara Tomy was involved in recent years, which air in the west. I also can relate to the thought that several fans are prejudiced to kids shows, which aren't Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh.
I just came as a visitor a few days ago while doing research for some Tomica toys called Motor Tomica. This Tomica Wiki was basically the only English language source of information for these toys.
Since I'm new here, I'm not familiar with what this Wiki originally was, or when it might have been created. Also, I'm not sure when Soaker87 joined and began updating the Tomica data, but the work she has done is unbelievable. What I've seen in the past 2 days is that this wiki contains a lot of valuable Tomica information.
My background is diecast cars (often referred to as minicars, in Japan). To me, and countless other minicar fans, TOMICA represents little toy cars, similar to Hot Wheels or Matchbox. TOMICA are the Japanese equivilant to these western brands.
So what I think of when I see the name TOMICA is toy cars. I don't think of TOMICA as referring to Earth Granner or Drive Head. I think if you mention TOMICA to the general population, they either won't know what you're talking about, or they'll instantly think of toy cars. So what I'm getting at is naming this wiki TOMICA with the goal of covering subjects like Drive Head or Earth Granner is a little confusing. I think an Earth Granner or Drive Head wiki name would be much more appropriate (or even "Tomica Hyper Rescue Drive Head or "Tomica Kizuna Gattai Earth Granner"). I mean no disrepect by pointing this out, I'm just trying to state the obvious.
I think this wiki has a lot of potential for Tomica collectors in general, and that includes a large variety of toys. Wouldn't it be better to start a new wiki, with a more appropriate name, just for the various TV series? Perhaps that would be the best and easiest thing to do, and benefit the greatest number of users. If that were done, then perhaps full Admin privileges could be given to Soaker87 for the Tomica wiki?
These are just thoughts I'm having after reading everyone's comments.
My experience with wikis says that dividing a fandom into multiple communities is not a great idea, in particular if the fandom as a whole is not that large. Wikia also discourages duplicate wikis to the extent, that they are planning to strictenthe wiki creation process to prevent them. If we would have multiple wikis the most users would most likely edit the Earth Granner Wiki, as it is the current series, while almost nobody edits the Tomica Hero and Drive Head wikis as both series are over. Even this wiki just has a bit more than thirty members, while the Tomica Hero wikis are almost entirely dead and the Tomica Cars Wiki also is less active. My goal when creating the Tomica Wiki was creating an ultimate destination for Tomica fans, not dividing a limited fanbase even more. Even if the fandom is larger, duplicate wikis are still not the best idea. Recently there was a merger between multiple Transformers wikis most prominently the main one and the Transformers Prime Wiki. As a bureaucrat of the main wiki I played a crucial role in it. The main Transformers Wiki ultimately experience a resurgence of activity. Before the merger both wikis were suffering, Transformers Prime Wiki because it's name implied non-coverage of any other Transformers series and they also later including everything after Prime to increase activity which confused users, but also Transformers Wiki because of a fork which happened back in 2008. As well some time ago a merger happened between the Beywiki from the WBO and the Beyblade Wiki on FANDOM, with Beywiki almost dead prior to the merger. Furthermore in the Digimon fandom, Wikimon also is far less active than Digimon Wiki and has less content. As a bureaucrat of the German Digimon Wiki I've also observed, that the wiki of the Digimon Generation also is very inactive and has less content than mine. A merger would be beneficial in all cases. However with Soaker getting admin powers at some point I wholeheartedly agree, as she clearly has contributed the most to the wiki.
I agree that the cars are what most people think of when they think of Tomica. Even as someone who got interested because of Drive Head, I knew that the cars existed before then. (Just not more than that.) I also agree that multiple wikis for a single subject would be a mess. I'm not sure about the fact that wikis wouldn't really have activity after something is "over". I didn't discover this wiki until the Drive Head TV series was over (the web series/movie hadn't started though), so I didn't add anything until then. I was editing some Drive Head-related pages this weekend, because I wanted to make them more detailed and complete. No one touched the Tomica Hero pages until recently, and those seasons were around for much longer.
Strictly with the Tomica toys, because they have been around since the 70's, there are still tons of pages I need to make. Many releases aren't even represented on this wiki yet, because I simply haven't gotten around to them. Yesterday I made pages for a bunch of 2005 releases, It's less about how current something is and more about the timing, when someone comes across the wiki, and what they're able to contribute. I'm aware there are people out there who know much more about Tomica than me, because I'm still relatively new to it, and I appreciate what they can contribute too.
There are also certain levels of completeness. I don't think a stub article that just says "X is Y" and came out "date" and doesn't tell you anything else is much of an article. It's a start, yes, but if I'm coming for a wiki for info, I want more than that.If it's a product, I want to know exactly what it looks like and what it does. If it's a character, I want to know what they're like, what their role is in the story, how they interact with other characters, and what their eventual fate is. There's always things that can be refined, or made more detailed. It just requires finding someone with both the dedication and free time, which is difficult.
Also, this is somewhat off-topic, but this all got me thinking. In terms of Tomica characters, each of the TV series (Rescue Fire, Rescue Force, Drive Head) were short lived and after they finished airing, the toys were discontinued and that was the end of it. I don't expect Earth Granner to be any different.
The closest thing to Tomica "characters" that are a consistent representation of the brand is Hyper Series, particularly Hyper Rescue. They toys are older than even Tomica Hero, and they seem to resurge regularly. Last year, new Hyper Rescue toys were released, under the Tomica World/Active Changer series. Even the other Tomica TV series are loosely tied to Hyper Rescue. They're clearly named after the real-life Hyper Rescue, which is mentioned several times in the Tomica Hero series and plays a minor role in it. And Drive Head is derived from Hyper Series, down to using some of the exact same organizations and vehicles, and having characters who were inspired by the earlier ones. So really, Hyper Rescue are the characters most enduring and representive of Tomica.
I agree that the timing of when someone comes to the wiki and contributes a lot also plays a role, in particular, if an anime doesn't get much coverage in the west, because there is no English dub. If there is one many users come, with some contributing a lot and others contributing less. A wiki about a series which airs in the west is likely to have at least ten users with more than thousand edits, if not even more. I'm also aware that Tomica mostly is known as a toyline, as the television series are still very young compared to the fifty-year lifespan of the Tomica brand as a whole. Zoids as well started as a toyline back in the 80s and got a video game for Commodore 64 in 1986, before finally hitting airwaves as an anime in 1999. As with the articles, we have layouts for them, which are something like the skeleton of an article. It is of course much better if an article has a lot of content, but a layout is a start. The rating system serves a similar purpose. For an article with almost no content and no layout I would give one star. Two stars should be given for an article with few content and no meaningful layout. An article with a meaningful layout and few content would get three stars. Four stars should be awarded to an article with a great layout and substantial content. Only extremely distinguished articles with a perfect layout and highly substantial content should get five stars.
I want to thank both of your for contributing to this discussion. You've made me aware of many things that come into play building a wiki. I would love to help with this wiki, but right now it is more than I could manage. Like Soaker87 mentioned, one needs dedication and time. I think I have the dedication, but I certainly don't have the time.
I do think with some minor cosmetic changes, the site would be more appealing to Tomica (toy car) collectors. After all Tomica is fiorst and foremost Tomica. From there the brand branches out into different categories, including entertainment (TV/film). I do recall coming here many years ago thinking, "How cool, a Tomica Wiki", but when I got here and looked around there was nothing about Tomica so I left and never came back. I think a lot of people probably have had the same experience.
I also think that most people view a wiki as a place to go to for information, not a place to actually contribute. So out of a hundred visitors, you might only get one or two that make contributions. That's not a bad thing though, because like I said, most people visit a wiki to get infomation, not create information. As long as there are comprehensive sections for various Tomica related divisions, this site can flourish. But I really think it needs to look and feel like Tomica in order to draw in the Tomica crowd.
Out of the many subdivisions of Tomica, Hyper Rescue is one that has been around and reincarnated for quite some time. Like Soaker87 said, others have come and gone, but Hyper Rescue has out lived all of them. I think because it is based on a real entity, and it is appealing to young Japanese children. Outside of various mainstream Anime series, the "company" branded series don't tend to last long.
I hear from a lot of collectors that ask why Tomica is focused on this X or that Y, and they seem to forget that Tomica is not meant for them, but meant for the Japanese kids. I'm pretty sure that the fact that middle aged men from other countries like Tomica, is a low priority for Takara Tomy.
You're welcome. I think that time also is my problem. I run a huge variety of wikis like Transformers, Zoids, Bakugan and Tenkai Knights Wiki. As a result I mostly focus on the organizational aspects of a community. I agree that there are people who don't come back if they see pages with few content. Some users, however, in particular if they have knowledge about the franchise are motivated by this to contribute and help the wiki grow. I'm aware that most visitors don't contribute, from what I remember FANDOM's staff even stated this in blog posts. A wiki, in particular its main page needs to appeal to both viewers and editors. As with Hyper Rescue I also think it is very often recurring. And yes, Tomica is intended for Japanese kids. Sometimes Japanese companies are hesitant to sell their products in other countries. Though in Tomica's case it might also be that companies in the west are not that interested in it. If you are interested in the history of activity on this wiki that page might interest you.
There have been a select few Tomica models sold in Walmart recently. I almost never go into Walmart, but I got myself the Jimny because it was one I wanted anyway. (Wish they had the 1st edition color, though.) They even use almost identical packaging to the Japanese releases, which really surprised me. No idea why the past two attempts of bringing Tomica out to the west were a flop. All I can guess is too much competition with other brands? I don't know how well the current ones are selling either, actually.
As for the TV series and anime, Toku never does well here unless it's Power Rangers, and I feel like Drive Head would compete with Transformers too much, and thus a lot of people would think it was a knockoff and not embrace it.
Soaker87: Yes, as of late last year Walmart has been selling Tomica. There have been about 5 waves so far. If you check the Tomica USA Facebook page you can get the latest details. Cars are identical to the Japanese releases, and the boxes are almost the same as the JP boxes. Biggest difference is the blister cards they come on.
Something for the both of you: First, I must apologize if my interest and suggestions in this wiki are first and foremost of Tomica Diecast related. In regards to that I wanted to direct your attention to two other diecast related wikis - Hot Wheels and Matchbox.
What I'd like to point out is the home page for each of these wikis. If you'll notice, they both are basic and to the point for each brand, making it simple for vistors to navigate to appropriate pages of interest.
The Tomica wiki homepage however is less helpful to the diecast collector, or any visitor, as you can see...
Again, I would like to acknowledge to fine efforts the Soaker87 has put into this wiki and her continued updates. I think this wiki has the potential to become a valuable asset to Tomica collectors throughout the world.
Yeah, I've been keeping up with the new Walmart Tomica releases a bit. Really hope I can get my hands on the JAF one, because I'm surprised that was imported when it's very Japanese. Somewhere down the line, I want to make sections for American Tomica releases, as well as other markets outside of Japan. I know they have some exclusive ones in China and Korea that you can't even get in Japan. I've just been in over my head with the Japanese stuff, so it's on the backburner for now.
I think it would be a good idea to modify the homepage with both a toys portal and a multi-media portal. For instance, like with the Battle Spirits Wiki, which is a card game franchise which has spawned a large number of anime seasons: https://battle-spirits.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_Spirits_Wiki
Basically, what exists there now for the anime/toku seasons can still exist, but maybe also place this somewhere on the main page:
First and foremost is Tomica, but then there is Tomica World, Earth Granner, Dream Tomica, Thomas & Friends, Tomica Premium, Tomica 4D, Light & Sound, and Disney Motors. Of course there is more, but these are the current main lines, as well as the higher tier Tomica Limited Vintage & Tomica Limited Vintage Neo. I think having a similar breakdown on the wiki would be beneficial.
Your navbox examples are interesting and helpful, but I'm not sure if I completely understand the function of navboxes.
I really wish I knew more about wiki structure and organization, and that I had time to assist with development here, but it's just not in my scope of abilities and capabilities right now.
Please excuse my lack of wiki know-how, I'm a technically illiterate wiki user - I'm not familiar with a lot of the features here. There are some that seem to be too much for the casual visitor, and thus difficult for me to explain - such as the multitude of options on the dropdown menues listed under the tabs for Content, Social Media, etc. Compare the Tomica options to the Hot Wheels wiki and you'll see what I mean.
I hope I'm not being too forward with my suggestions, but hopefully you take them as creative criticisms.
No,I don’t mind at all, Mike. I, too, was confused when I first found the wiki. I also know the current nav box thing I have is cluttered, and will only get worse if I run into more sets to add. I was thinking of reorganizing it. I’ll definitely consider your ideas.
I should really make a list of the amount of projects I need to get done for making this more user-friendly, but I have neither the time nor mental energy now.
The top navigation should serve the purpose that as many pages as possible are accessed through this. The mainspace on most of my wikis is constituted by four major sections: Units, Characters, Terms and Media. The "Miscellaneous" section links to the highly centralized Help, Special, Blog and Forum namespaces. The remaining sections under the contents tab link to pages in the project namespace. The social media section links to our profiles on various social media websites. The related tab includes all communities and websites related to the franchise. The affiliates section finally includes any affiliated wiki, in Tomica's case in particular wikis about other Takara Tomy franchises. Likewise, the main page also links to such things, however it can just be accessed from one page, while the top navigation appears on every page on the wiki, except on chat. Changes to the wiki are best talked about on discussions. The best time for that is when Earth Granner starts. I can already promise you that this wiki will enjoy more social media coverage than it used to, when Drive Head aired back in 2017 and also more attention from my side. In 2017 it almost had no regular editors, judging from this page and was mostly empty. I was busy with getting Transformers Wiki back into shape and setting up Mysticons Wiki at that time and as well with managing various other wikis. But Soaker indeed helped a lot with making this wiki a better place and now it has some more users who edit it, although it's still not that active because Drive Head hasn't aired in the United States yet.
I’m not saying we should remove anything which is on the front page now. Though, it would be great if a lot of the red links could lead to something, even if it’s just a placeholder. Simply, that we should probably add a section there devoted to the Tomica cars, because they’re the most known part of Tomica worldwide, not to mention the only part which has any presence in English-speaking countries, which is the language used by this wiki.
I still have my doubts that Earth Granner is going to make any sort of big splash in the west. So far, I’ve seen minimal interest in it, except among those like myself who are already big fans of mecha genre and robot toys, and are not biased against kids shows. Which doesn’t make up high numbers. As I said much earlier in the thread, Shinkalion received fansubs from day one and the majority of western anime fans who gave it a try loved it. Despite that, it’s still incredibly obscure here, not discussed much (in English) on social media, and its wiki has very few regular editors. There will be many factors which need to happen for Earth Granner to generate attention and I doubt they will be met. Time will tell, but I remain extremely skeptical. Personally, I plan to try it, but if it doesn’t appeal to me, I might not follow it and want to write detailed episode summaries and character bios. Kids shows typically run for at least 4 cour, so it’s a big commitment.
I know that you didn't say this and I also think that adding some more sections might be a great idea. As with Earth Granner it's of course unlikely that it will come to America, as no season of Tomica has ever aired there. Unless a series gets an English dub, there will just be a limited fanbase. And out of Beyblade, Kamiwaza Wanda, Tomica, Shinkalion and Zoids, there are only two series by Takara Tomy in recent years which are about to air in the west namely Beyblade and Zoids, with both series having a history of airing in the west. There are not even five regular editors on the wikis about the last four mentioned series including Zoids Wiki, as Zoids Wild still hasn't aired in the west, although it was announced to air in America back in 2018.
I think as well that we should also focus on the diecast vehicles. However, the slider on the main page as well as the wiki navigation on top of the wiki is intended to link to all articles in the main space, whether they are about the television seasons or the toylines or about companies or individuals, who have been involved. I don't oppose the idea of having something on the main page which links to the diecast vehicles. However, multi-media still is important as well. I remember that the former Beywiki by the World Beyblade Organization also focused on the toys and was ultimately less successful than the Beyblade Wiki on FANDOM. Duplicate wikis are discouraged by FANDOM even more now, as they do their best to prevent them. Personally I think a wiki should cover every aspect of a franchise, even up to fanon, which however can only be added in the project namespace.
I was trying to do a mockup portal for the main page. It probably needs replacement pictures, because some (like the Disney, mainly) don't fit the size. Doesn't have to be this exactly, but something like it.
Edit: swapped the Disney one for an image that's actually visible